Yesterday morning happened to be the third and final of the public open house/information sessions in Windsor in the initial phase of the new Windsor Jail a.k.a. the South West Detention Centre .
I asked the people there, if the roof in the concept was a Green Roof, and if they were planning on making the structure as energy efficient as possible. They told me, while there are no final plans, they would like a Green Roof, and to follow some LEED guidelines if possible.
This is a great chance to build a showpiece of modern architecture in this city. Rather than fighting the province over the location, which is away from 98% of the population of the City of Windsor, we should be fighting the province to build it properly.
Let’s fight for a Green Roof
Let’s fight for Solar Panels
Let’s fight for Rainwater recycling
Let’s fight for a LEED structure
This constant bickering is embarrassing, and it’s no wonder that the province never listens to Windsor.
The site has been selected off the 8th Concession near the 401, in the middle of nowhere, and the Environment Assessment process is scheduled to be underway from November, 2008 to March, 2009.
So, after listening to NIMBY tears for the last several weeks, I decided to investigate the site of the new jail this morning for myself. As you can see the location is in the middle of nowhere.
Concerned NIMBY’s have taken to spray painting the sign “Help Eddie” & “No Jail”
An aerial view of the immediate area. There is a soccer club immediately south, and along the 8th concession a handful of homes, as well as two oddly located residential streets (one of which – Joy Rd. is visible at the top).
Other that what 100 people? There is next to no residential in the area. It seems to me we couldn’t ask for a better location for the new jail.
Despite the best attempt at fear mongering by the local media, saying the new jail is to be located at Walker Rd. and the 401, as you can see it’s not.
We all know the biggest fear everyone has is that if there is a jail break that the Costco or one of the other big box stores will be robbed. So I took a scientific study and charted the two possible escape routes to Costco from the new jail. As you can see, the closest route is still over 3.5 km away. đŸ™‚
Honestly though, it was embarrassing sitting in that room yesterday listening to the NIMBY’s speak with raised voices to the representatives from Correctional Services.
I haven’t never heard so many ill formed, inarticulate opinions spoken so loudly in public since the Enwin water rate meetings.
It’s a shame that this is the face Windsor’s puts out to the province.
**[EDIT] I forgot to add that if you have any comments, one way or the other, you can send them along though the website, which can be found at: http://ontario.ca/swdc. Don’t forget that even if you agree with the proposed location, you should let the Ministry know. I’m sure they’re hearing all the NIMBY negative comments, but they also need to hear from those who think this is a good location.
well that ain’t a bad spot at all!! and if we’re REALLY lucky, this will cut the legs off our runaway sprawl!! of course, i guess alot of people who have a problem with living near one don’t realize that that neighbourhood is going to be the very last place the escapee is going to want to hang out in. i guess your car is at risk but that’s it.
but i understand the NIMBY’s concerns. after all, they moved way out there to get away from the criminal element in the core. you know, the place where their “get everything they want” children go in daddy’s SUV, stir the pot, sell some coke, and still make it home in time for dinner with the family and homework.
would be nice if the design incorperated some sort of…….i don’t know…..design.
how boring can you get?!
also: “help us eddie, help us! some criminal is going to break out and start VANDALIZING PRIVATE PROPERTY”
LOL stupid people. like eddie heads out that way anyhow lol
Well done! Excellent coverage of this issue, Andrew. All I can say is that I heartily agree 100%
I live close by to the proposed site and I could care less. I agree- the last place they’re gonna hang out is sittin’ on my deck having a beer. How many breaks are reported anyway? Even so, a new facility should have top of the line defence in mind. No one will ever be happy with a site becuase it’s always going to be near someone’s neighbourhood. Like I said, I live very close by just off the 6th conc and 401 and I don’t think it’s a black eye to my area. Hey, and it might create some jobs!!!
Have now finally seen the site I might change my stance on this issue. I hate to say it but i do frequent the Best Buy out this way and usually come to Windsor from “The Burg” via Walker and was a little concerned about the proximity to Walker as was so reported. Now that I’m actually seeing something on paper (or computer screen in this case) I actually think it should go there rather than the Brighton Beach area like everyone else is wanting. Now that I think about it Brighton Beach isnt so good a spot since I like work in front of the Salt Mine.
andrew the time is wrong, here in your world.
Thanks Aaron – Daylight savings time… That happens when the clock on the server doesn’t change.
I think I’ve managed to work around it though. As long as the clock on the server isn’t updated đŸ˜‰
I ride my bike by the present jail on Brock at least 3 times a week. It is on my route through Malden, Mic Mac, then eventually down the river trail. As of today, considering I’ve probably gone by the place about 1000x I’ve noticed 0 escape attempts. I would think if the tons of residential homes across the street haven’t harbored fugitives, than a big box chain 4 km away will be even less attractive. Convicts will probably bee line to the Hooters anyways, apparently it gets lonely in jail.
One hundred years from now that jail house will be smack dab in the middle of a well established neighbourhood and the residents will be raising their voices to save “their” jail from demolition. C’est la vie.
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They should have put it in the Sandwich/Brighton Beach area, closer to the courthouse. It’s way too far from the courthouse. With all the traffic congestion along Provincial, it’ll take forever to move prisoners back and forth, which means a lot of unnecessary tax dollars wasted on jail personel and tire wear.
Also, the sprawlers now have grounds to claim for huge reductions in their property tax assessments because they’re close to a jail, which means they’ll pay less tax as an incentive for sprawling and burdening the rest of us who live in the older part of the city. It’s not like the property values could possibly get any lower in Sandwich/Brighton Beach. Not that anyone wants to live there anyway.
Why is it that all the public work projects in this city end up raising my taxes higher than it should be? Maybe I should just sprawl to fu-ck nowhere.
I think that this is a great location. Let’s remember that this is a new regional facility. It is not just meant for Windsor but for all of Southwestern Ontario. Police from Chatham for instance have to come here. It needs to be right near the 401 to serve the region properly. Brighton Beach would only suit Windsor but what do we expect from a city government wrought with tunnel vision. Windsor is actually lucky to land this. We need the investment and the several hundred well paying government jobs that come along with it.
I believe that they said 250 corrections jobs?
Also they pointed out that it will be good fro the sprawl along Walker Rd. All those restuarants will see an infulx of people who will need to eat… Corections workers, lawyers, etc…
I guess it’s an OK location, close to freeway access as it is not just a City Jail. At least it doesn’t look that foreboding, could even be a manufacturing plant almost – back when Windsor had those. Besides, this fits in Windsor/Essex’s rebranding – the retirement capital of Canada – serve out your term and retire in the mild sub-tropical climate – cradle to grave I say.
It is slightly odd how the development just stops in that area. You could be a km from the airport in the middle of a field and never know there was an airport there.
I am with you Andrew on the green improvements. Why not make it as environmentally friendly as possible? All this talk aof the environment, the province should put their money where their mouth is and make sure it is designed properly.
As for the location…I think it is a good stop. No one is going to see it as it isn’t near any city “gateway”. Why should it go to Brighton beach? Hasn’t the west side suffered enough? Why can’t we spread this type of development around?
Just like downtown with all of the Salvation Army housing, YMCA housing, downtown mission…imagine if we asked the mayor or the bureaucrats in city hall to have one of these buildings in their neighbourhood? They would have convulsions of anger! But nope, let’s try and put it where people who have beet spit on for 50 years reside.
By the way, the “too high cost of transportation” is a joke! I am sure the city can find the money in that massive police budget Windsor has. But then again from what I hear from Chief Smith they need MORE SUV’s. Give me a break!
This is a local correctional center being proposed, not a penitentiary. The bulk of the inmates destined for this facility are impaired drivers, barroom brawlers and petty thieves. They are convicted of crimes for which the penalty is less than two years and provincial statistics indicate the current average stay for these offenders is 72 days. They arenĂ¢â‚¬â„¢t the kind to carjack a ride home or stick up a big box store.
Ahh yes rws you are correct. But the fear-mongering has begun thanks to our local lap-dog media. I still wonder what Eddie’s pals want to do with that land which is why I believe Eddie is making a fuss. I believe it is time for Eddie to pay back what is owed to those who funded his elections.
How would the far west end suffer more if this went there?? There’s already the old jail next to Mackenzie hall, which houses the same risk category of occupants. It’s nothing foreign to the area that would cause a decline in property values You also have plenty of government buildings there like the new armouries and police center, so it makes perfect sense.
The city’s not gonna tell police services to find money in their budget for any extra costs in transportation. The reality is that that’s just nonesense. Police services is a sacred lamb. When was the last time they’ve had to find cuts in their budget to pay for increased costs? Will the province reimburse the city for the declining tax base in the South end from this? If you think you’re not gonna see a jump in property taxes for the rest of us over this if it goes in the south end, you’re dead wrong.
David, it is very simple. We have a chance to rid ourselves of one jail not build another one in it’s place. The west side has ben Windsor’s dumping ground for eternity. Time to spread that around Windsor as the impact would be less.
As for the armouries and police centre that has nothing at all to do with this jail. Besides there are few houses in that area that would see any property values drop (if they haven’t already due to Windsor’s inaction on the economy).
The police services SHOULD be made to find that money within their budget, plain and simple. How much extra is it gong to cost to move someone from this new site over the current one? Not much!
Again, there is nothing there except a few houses what “tax base” are you referring to? Farm land? This if anything should give us more money for taxes if jails pay any tax at all.
I spoke with some of the Provincial officials last night. The generic nomenclature “Regional Detention Center” does not mean that the jail will be used by other communities (including Chatham). These municipalities have their own jails. The new facility in Windsor is going to be a direct replacement for the current Windsor Jail. IT IS THE NEW WINDSOR JAIL. It only has double the capacity of our current jail. Long overdue. The only time other inmates might see it is if they are to appear in Windsor courts. The current Windsor Jail serves the same function. By the way…It is only 1.5 kilometers further out than the Brighton Beach location and has a clean run up 46 to Provincial, to Howard and then Downtown. It is a very good location which will, if anything, improve the area.
One has to question The Star and other local media’s agenda when they continuously describe the site at the corner of Walker and Provincial and stir up the pot.
The proposed Brighton Beach site is the exact same distance to the courthouse as the province’s proposed site.
Let’s face it- after blowing millions fighting for his beloved “Greenlink”, our mayor needs the cash and would love to have something happen in Brighton Beach.
Thanks to Andrew for his independent voice here- where would we be without the blogs?
Jen – True WCF has been out there a while., But once the area started its uncontrolled sprawl the church expanded.
Big box religion with the big box stores. A match made in heaven đŸ˜‰
Chris – I agree with you, that something’s up. If it’s not then why push forward with the mis-information about the location. There is some kind of agenda at play.
Exactly, Chris, where would we be without the blogs? Andrew constantly scoops the mainstream media to the story (top hat, seagrave, BMO building, et al) They (the Star) take notice as well, believe me. In many ways, the local indie news sites run more interesting and topical local news stories and have better OpEd stuff than the Star. They are even “influenced” by some of the topics we cover….
…and that is a totally unbiased opinion ; )
The secondary plan shows a new road which will go from Walker through to the eighth concession south of the Christian Fellowship and north of the new Jail.
It’s great to see that someone has started a blog to air everyone’s personal opinion and at times it is really difficult to keep an open mind when people spout off about how great something is when they are so far away from the potential problem area. Oh yea easy to say you live next door but on a blog you can pretty much say anything and get away with it. So I will say that it would not surprise that I ( a NIMBY – as a number have called those in the SWDC area ) believe most who will be in favour of this proposed site live elsewhere and have nothing else better to do than make derogatory comments about those who are trying to get the proper information about something that they may have just found out about. One needs to at least appreciate that many people are very busy today trying to hold jobs, take care of family and at times extended family. So don’t be too harsh in your assessment of people who get a bit excited and raise their voices a bit at theses so-called information sessions.
I was one who raised my voice a little to try to get my point out over the background chatter but from everything I heard at the info session seemed to indicate that this is and will be a large “institutional” centre which as many pointed out really does not belong in this area of Windsor if it will serve the Windsor Justice System. There is a new highway infrastructure in the works to accommodate the bridge traffiic as well as a new bridge in the Brighton Beach area. So it makes great sense to place a facility of this type in this location as it will (or could be planned ) have access to the 401, be surrounded by mainly industry, and the area certainly needs development (perhaps of a “green” type). If some people believe that this is such a good boon for the Windsor area then it might be time to help the Sandwich West area in its bid to improve itself. Certainly the tax dollars can’t hurt.
In an effort to be better informed………….
Has anyone heard any specific reasons (other than more costly) as to why Brighton area not pursued?
Interesting to see that these same people who don’t want to be called NIMBY’s or state that “those who don’t live in the area want the facility there” have no problem placing it in Brighton Beach LESS THAN 1/2KM AWAY from RESIDENTS.
I guess it is o.k. for the west end to eat shit for all of Windsor like it has for 50 years but not o.k for the “new” south, south Windsor. Now I understand…
I spoke with a friend about this and she said that the main reason they don’t want it in Brighton Beach was because there is too much pollution out there and it would be too close to truck traffic. Reading ME’s comment, I wonder what the province has to say about the residents living in that area, if they are trying to protect the prisoners so much. Seems like prisoners have more rights than residents.
Also, I think, based on Andrew’s map, there are residents that live within 1/2km of this site and the sprawled commercial area is within 1 km.
Finally, I don’t think that the Star has an agenda in this case. There seems to have been a lot of confusion at the start. But, realistically the actual site is about 500m-1km from the Walker/Provincial intersection.
I don’t think this site makes sense. Maybe there is some agenda..more likely from the developers who own the land.
I thought I would add this compliments of Mr. Schnurr. These are facts people, not emotional arguements. That is what is needed to be discussed.
Please see the underlined sentences….it is only 3 pages.
http://chrisschnurr.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jailsiteselection.pdf
Mr. Schnurr’s excellent website can be found at:
http://chrisschnurr.wordpress.com/
Jen, why doesn’t the site make sense? Please see my above post and visit Mr. Schnurr’s site. It will be a real eye opener for those that are opposed.
But I agree with you on Brighton beach and the far west side. As I have stated before, since it has been Windsor’s toilet for decades no one gives a crap about those residents.
ME, I am not surprised by Mr. Schnurr’s paper. Any government agency will have stats to support their cause…I don’t always buy the reports.
But, I like Antun’s argument. It seems to make sense. Windsor has made such a mess of this area I think we would all agree. I don’t think that the jail will have a huge negative impact on property or crime (though I think there will be some in that area), but it just seems like Windsor is shoe-horning in everything and anything they can fit here. I don’t know about Brighton Beach, but putting a jail there will limit what else goes there. Just my opinion.
With all respect to the west end, maybe this wouldn’t be such a bad idea out there. I mean, the west end definitely needs some stores (I don’t think there is even a good supermarket other than A&P on Huron). Why don’t some of the stores on Walker go on the west end…or duplicate them. I mean there is a Canadian Tire, a Home Depot and a Lowe’s in this one area. Why doesn’t Windsor encourage development like this in the west end more.
Again, maybe the jail would be better out there and encourage some more development to help the local residents.
Well, Me, by your own logic from those reports, if putting a prison in an area doesn’t increase crime or lower property values (and may actually raise property values), then what basis do you have to complain that putting it in the Brighton Beach area is crapping on residents in the far west end? The only argument then is transportation costs. Last time I drove from downtown to the Galaxy Cinema around Costco, it took me over an hour because of the gridlock. Downtown to the racetrack (around the Brighton Beach area) with very little traffic – 10-15 minutes. So, Brighton Beach wins out on lower transportation costs.
I don’t know what happened, but my comment didn’t post.
I like Antun’s comment. I think it makes sense. Windsor needs to stop shoe-horning stuff in this area. There is a Canadian Tire, a Home Depot and now a Lowe’s in this area. Why doesn’t Windsor push for one of those stores in the west end. God knows the west end needs some stores, they don’t even have a good supermarket as far as I know (except the A&P on Huron).
I am not surprised by Mr. Schnurr’s report. The government alwasy has stats to support their areas of responsibility. Probably crime and property values wouldn’t go down (maybe a little in this area, but not much I am sure). But Windsor has screwed up that area so much, I think it will impact what goes there later.
Long story short, whether the jail has to go in Brighton Beach is really not the problem…there are other areas, I am sure. This is a gateway to Windsor, right on the 401. I bet it will go there no matter what anyone says at this point, but, it just does not seem like the best location for it. Just my opinion.
That is what you are basing your argument on a small amount of transportation costs? What kool-aid are you drinking and did Eddie serve it to you?
Who allowed the Costoc badlands to be bult the way there were? Who allowed even more big box retail to be put in? Who has added even more lights on Walker and Provincial even with a light only 40 feet from another? Want to speed up traffic and get it moving? Remove the amount of stop lights. Those costs differences are minimal and won’t add up to much. As I stated before instead of buying more SUV’s the police services should be able to find the minor increase it MAY cost to transport the scumbags.
As for crapping on the west side residents, I would rather it be left natural like it is supposed to be left. We could use more nature in Windsor and the province has stated it is too polluted to begin with.
Besides, the third crossing is going there and what kind of statement does that show? This location isn’t seen from one of the cities gateways but the one in Brighton Beach will be seen for all incoming visitors to Canada.
So…. let me get this straight.
People don’t want the Walker Road location because it’s too close to residents, and yet the Brighton Beach location is the same proximity to… other residents?
Not to mention that highway improvements are clearly going on already in the Walker Road / 401 area so the upgrade in facilities is there. The argument that future infrastructure might happen at Brighton Beach to accomodate this (I’m personally not totally convinced) does not slide with me. I also think that the Brighton Beach “services” if there are any left would be so neglected and degraded that they might as well start from scratch anyways – moot point, even steven.
So… neither of the sites are “good enough” for the NIMBYS – where then?
Also, Antun, your residents are fighting the sprawl out there?? Fine job you’ve done there.
Keep in mind while reading stats prepared for or paid by the same group who prefers a positive spin on things (read “spin doctors”) it’s no surprise that the stats will show what they want to help their cause. But it doesn’t take away from the reality that certain institutions do have a place where they “fit” in the context of their purpose – court system / security / land use /infrastructure.
An elected official once quoted at a public meeting after changing his mind and reversing a project once started that “You can get statistics to support whatever you want just pay the right person and “voila” you now have a pretty set of stats mostly believable but perhaps flawed in many ways.
So, is this really a relocation of a Windsor Jail or not? If so then it matters not to the Windsor residents where it goes because it will be state of the art. If this is a provincial facility then along with the new 401 connection the the new Brighton Beach proposed bridge to the USA one could argue that this could easily become a part of that master plan.
Either way, both Windsor and the province could work out the deal to make this happen so most residents (except for a few posted here) would be proud to be a part of the territory known as the City of Windsor ( all the way from West Windsor to East Windsor including the South of Windsor.
Lori, unfortunately, the official plan amendment I spoke of ended at the border of the annexed lands area, that would be the Seventh Concession. I don’t like what went on at Walker Rd., but most of it, particularly the forest that was cut down to make way for Home depot, happened so fast without notice that even the city couldn’t do much about it.
All this hard talk about NIMBYs etc., doesn’t really do much for Windsor. The truth is that there is a concerted effort in the “Sandwich South” area to get more green space and proper development, including trying to stop another big box (WalMart) site from going up on 7th Concession. That worked because of the lack of services.
Keep in mind that the plan to get services for this area was 17-20 years out. What development means here is leapfrogging all the other areas without service and spending a tonne of money to get services there. Again, very poor planning.
Also, I agree with Jen, that Andrew’s message that the escape route is between 3-4 km away makes no sense. Go straight back and see how far that is. In any case, escape is not teh issue.
Finally, Brighton Beach is really not on the table. There are many areas of Windsor to consider (for example the Airport Lands on Lauzon Parkway that have immediate access to the Expressway), but the immediate concern is that this is not the right spot.
You can get as nasty as you want about the residents, but at least they are trying to do something positive. To ME, I whole-heartedly agree that the West end needs more positive development…some of those duplicate stores on Walker, for example.
You know I have posted several comments on here, and they haven’t appeared. So much for objectivity, Mr. Moderator.
You know I have posted several comments on here, and they haven’t appeared. So much for objectivity, Mr. Moderator.
Now I have been blocked as spam. Again, thanks for the objectivity. Interesting website, but clearly not interested in allowing both sides of an argument.
To Terry2: NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) is not intended to be inflamatory in any way. In fact the term was initiated within this issue by the affected area residents themselves. As for the bloggers who are covering this, they were on top of it before the traditional media. They have researched and delivered not only more information but also more accurate information than the local media. They are also responsible for digging out the facts and information which the city administration has, thus far, failed to provide. Don’t forget that blogs provide forums such as this one as well. Everybody gets to contribute. Where would this issue have been without them? Schnurr’s blog postings on this matter ARE a good place to get some well researched and balanced information. He asks and answers a lot of questions. WindsorCityBlog has chimed in as well.
http://windsorcityon.blogspot.com/2008/11/more-and-more-stories.html Follow the links provided by ME above. There is a lot of emotion riding on this development which is starting to give the impression that the real issue is not so much the new jail but rather the infringment of the city on this relatively rural beachhead.
Transportation costs isn’t a small amount. Extra costs of an SUV idling or slowly moving for an hour each time it needs to transport a prisoner plus the personel ends up being a lot. The city is not gonna remove stop lights and they’ll give into police service demands for budget increases as always as it’s popular with most voters.
I live in downtown too am I’m not complaining. And, I’m not a big fan of Eddie either. But, it makes sense to me.
As for incomining visitors, come on. They’ll be coming from Delray Detroit. You just can’t make a worser statement than Delray.
If I had the time, I’d write another long argument. But, since an editorial in the Windsor Star did it, I’ll quote that instead:
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/editorial/story.html?id=cea990de-0f07-41a3-acb6-2747344bd646&k=53008
Jail site
A lack of consultation
Windsor Star
Published: Friday, November 07, 2008 A9
It’s not as if the Dalton McGuinty government hasn’t had enough time to consider the best location for a new Windsor jail. It’s been four years since Monte Kwinter — the then-minister of community safety and correctional services — said replacing the 80-year-old facility in Sandwich was “virtually at the top of our priority list.”
At the time, Kwinter predicted it would take two years to put a shovel in the ground, and added that his ministry had already been looking at several potential sites.
Four years later, it appears the province didn’t look particularly hard for a new location and wasn’t interested in the community’s opinion in choosing it. In September, without any consultation, the government announced it had picked a 60-acre site north of Highway 401 between Walker Road and the 8th Concession.
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Font:****And after three public information meetings, it seems fairly clear that many city residents don’t like the preferred site for the 315-bed facility.
Nick Prestinaci, a ministry manager of strategic planning and capital projects, admits “there’s been some concerns with the site.”
Concerns are also coming from city councillors. Ward 4 Coun. Bill Marra, for example, agrees with residents who don’t want the jail in the midst of a quickly developing retail area.
“Is this the best and optimal use for this land? We will argue it’s not,” said Marra this week.
Marra and Ward 1 Coun. Drew Dilkens were also critical of the fact the city was given no advance notice of the province’s decision to build the new jail in the Walker Road area.
While land use is important, it isn’t the key issue.
The real issue is that the city’s preferred location — the Brighton Beach industrial area — is more practical. On one hand, it’s removed from high traffic residential and commercial developments, but it’s also far closer to the police station and courthouse than the Walker Road site, which would trim transportation costs still borne by the city. The Brighton Beach location is also on the doorstep of the police training centre.
The province’s arguments against the Brighton Beach site have been weak. The concerns about the extra expense of servicing the land don’t hold much water since the area is already home to existing industrial development.
Then there is the reported comment of one government spokesperson who claimed the area was too polluted for inmates and jail personnel. At best, that’s a weak, unsubstantiated argument that’s insulting to the people and businesses who populate the west end. At worst, it’s galling that the government would play the pollution card when its been dismissive of environmental concerns in considering the city’s GreenLink border road proposal.
The new jail is a much-needed project that the community supports. But when any type of correctional institution is planned, government has a responsibility to include the community in the planning process. In this case, that hasn’t happened.
And, as a result, it shouldn’t surprise the province that people living in the area have organized a residents’ association and are planning to lobby MPPs and councillors in an effort to get the government to put the jail somewhere else. A petition with 1,000 signatures is already circulating in the area.
The debate on the jail’s location is a long way from over.
The Elgin-Middlesex Detention Centre in London is close to residential and commercial zones as well as being located next to the 401. It’s the fortress looking structure in the bottom left of this satellite view:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=711+Exeter+Rd+london,+ontario&sll=42.920771,-81.224531&sspn=0.006113,0.008047&ie=UTF8&ll=42.924487,-81.220036&spn=0.012224,0.016093&t=h&z=16
Antun – Sorry, you were blocked as Spam.
It’s probably becasue you are new, and you happen to have the exact same IP address as Jen.
Double posting?
ooooh!!! Sha-ZAM !! đŸ˜‰
Oh my…. did someone get busted playing the sock puppet game?
Andrew, not that it matters, but, Jen is my girlfriend and Terry is also a friend of mine. I sent your blog around for people to read and comment on. As I said, it is an interesting site and worth a look for people interested in the jail. Hopefully more people I sent around to will post.
Sorry, Terry 2 is a friend of mine…I don’t know Terry.
That is funny. I still stand by my comments.
As I stand by miine. The terrible outcome of all this is that once again windsor looks negative and anti-business because we are once again (with Eddie leading the way once again) giving the finger to the province and/or anyone else.
As a businessman, I will tell you all if you don’t already know that Windsor is already considered the plague by many businessmen and leaders who do not live here but live all over the world. This is yet another reason why that perception is there.
Where would you folks like to have this jail built? Where is the place you believe is best?
David, out of town visitors are coming from the USA and they will use the third crossing to get here. Rarely do people who not live in Detroit use the tunnel so yourpoint is moot just as Delray being a cesspool (which I agree). That is in another city in another country. It has no bearing here.
For all of you misinformed people, I will clear up a few misconceptions. First off, the Brighton Beach area is NOT more expensive. From the mouths of the people sent to the public meetings who are working for the Southwest Detention Centre, this current proposed location on the 8th Concession is THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION that they have considered. The are paying top dollar for the prime land, I’ve been told as much as $300,000-400,000 per acre, with 62 acres for sale. And why do they need to waste our tax money purchasing 62 acres for a 315 bed jail, when the 1000 bed Toronto detention Centre is built on only 26 acres? Also, the land is not serviced, which will be another high expense paid for by us, the taxpayers. It’s funny how Sandra Pupatello falsely used that as a reason not to choose the Brighton Beach location, when that area is in fact already serviced. Not to mention, the distance from the courthouses, which if you read to the end of Mr. Schnurr’s article, and not just the underlined portions that this blogger wants us to read, should be considered when choosing the location. Again, it will be us the taxpayers paying this hefty price for gas & transporting the prisoners multiple times a day, especially when gas is so expensive now adays.