From the Border Cities Star – December 31, 1925:
Interesting to note the location of the public school at what is now Dougall and Cabana. Was there an earlier school in 1925? The current Roseland School was built in 1928 and is further east. (East of Howard).
I have that school a bit differently. Unless I have this turned around the indicated school seems at the corner of Talbot/highway 3 and either Outer Drive (as Boulevard) or some unbuilt road that would now be the 401 alignment(?)… with 5th Conc as North Talbot and 4th Conc as Cabana (that last one I think is right). I remember reading that Howard and Cabana was once called Jackson’s Corners.
Jim, that’s certainly possible. I was just going with Roseland being around the current Roseland. I might have messed this one up.
On review, it looks like the fifth conc. is North Talbot. The section to the left of Howard is under Roseland Golf Course…
My map from 1930 doesn’t show a road for the boulevard…
I love the sales pitch re: channeling your son’s potentially “immoral” energies into hobby farming. Guess even back then it was a struggle to get those twenty-something sons out of their parents’ basements, eh?
I can’t believe the asking prices for the farms back then Andrew would the boulevard be cabana maybe it kind of looks like it could be no on 2nd thought it wouldn’t be because the highway doesn’t cross cabana
Andrew, I think you are correct. What is the 5th Conc is North Talbot. Also, if I recall correctly I think I read in a booklet about the history of Oldcastle area, a school existed in the area of where Greenlawn Memorial Gardens now exists. Needs more research…
I believe this older map ( http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/ess-m-Sandwich-E&W.jpg )indicates a school as shown in the advertisement.
Also, I am surprised that the phone number is the “Seneca” exchange and not “Clearwater” since the location is the Heintzman Building (London (University) at Ouellette).
Jackson’s Corners must be like Fairplay, a hamlet that developed after 1880.
On the atlas of 1880, there is no mention of quite a few places in the county.
Odd. I guess a lot came after 1880 and didn’t last long at at all.
I believe Andrew is correct with his assessment. Jackson’s Corners is likely at the intersection of Howard and Cabana (Fourth Conc). Fairplay was much further east. The Fifth Conc is likely North Talbot. The roads indicated with dotted lines were projections and likely never built. I believe there was a school as indicated which would have been on Talbot Road (Hwy 3) in the vicinity of Greenlawn Memorial Gardens. I recall reading this in a booklet about the history of Oldcastle and area. This map shows a school ( http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/ess-m-Sandwich-E&W.jpg ).
I also noticed that the phone number is “Seneca”. I would have thought that this location (Heintzman Building at University (London) and Ouellette) would have been “Clearwater”.
Posted some of this earlier but it did not appear.
I believe Andrew is correct with his assessment. Jackson’s Corners is likely at the intersection of Howard and Cabana (Fourth Conc). Fairplay was much further east. The Fifth Conc is likely North Talbot. The roads indicated with dotted lines were projections and likely never built. I believe there was a school as indicated which would have been on Talbot Road (Hwy 3) in the vicinity of Greenlawn Memorial Gardens. I recall reading this in a booklet about the history of Oldcastle and area. I also noticed that the phone number is “Seneca”. I would have thought that this location (Heintzman Building at University (London) and Ouellette) would have been “Clearwater”.
There was a small school on Outer Drive just south of #3 HWy. In fact, when it closed, it was converted to a business and was there before all the construction and may still be. When Sandwich South, East and West were amalgamated with Windsor and other small towns , there were a lot of small grade schools that were subsequently closed.
I agree with the comments above. As JBW indicates, it appears the dotted line roads were never built. What makes the map really confusing is the dotted line marked Howard Avenue, when Howard Avenue we know today is really the road marked as “Provincial Highway”. It is also ironic that the 401 now seems to follow pretty much the same path as the road marked as “Boulevard”. I think this could mean that the Little Roseland Farms are now Southwood Lakes (it was farmland when I was a kid). Here’s another longshot – there is (was?) a white frame house on the north side of Hwy 3/Talbot on Google Maps near the 401 entrance that could possibly have been a school.
The 1880 Atlas maps are just slightly off. When it comes to Oldcastle, it actually shows it being further East than it really was, unless the post office happened to be there?
Oldcastle the Hamlet and centre still exist in almost perfect shape, it is at the intersection of Highway 3, and Walker road.
Castle Beef, the shop that makes tombstones, and the houses surrounding it IS Oldcastle.
Shawn, the post office and town hall were situated near the terminus of the greenway. The 1880 map is accurate. The section between Walker and the intersection of 401 with Talbot Road (Hwy 3) were quite developped and populated at one time and formed part of Oldcastle.
The site of the school on the brochure was Sandwich South #6 (my wife attended there).A new building was constructed in the 50’s and is now part of Dualflex manufacturing.Roseland school was in Sandwich East township when it was built. http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
Sorry about my link but if you google map to the SW corner of Talbot Road and Outer Drive you can see the successor school.
Joe, I believe you are correct. I had come across Oldcastle info at the Harrow branch of the Essex County Library several months ago and will try to revisit it in the near future for verification. I visited my local branch in Kingsville today but this particular book was not in its holdings. By the way, I am generally disappointed in the inventory of local history contained in our libraries… just my opinion.
Concerning the dotted lines showing Howard Avenue – ther is still evidence of this alignment on Scofield Avenue. The easterly lot line for 590 Scofield is not perpendicular to Scofield but follows the line of Howard on the map. Across the road, on the south side, there is a ditch and walking area to Wallace which also follows the old line for Howard. These odd alignments always puzzled us when we were kids in the neighbourhood
The 1922 Windsor City Directory lists a James Scofield, owner of Windsor Lumber as living at Jackson’s Corners. His residence was/is located on Howard at the foot of Morand. Therefore, it looks to me like Howard and Cabana must indeed be Jackson’s Corners
Scofield is the name of a street in that area.
Tom, Ducharme and Morand streets are also indicative of former residents in this vicinity. Their homes were/are (still there) on Howard.
Indeed JBM, all the area streets must have been named after local figures. When my parents built their house on Morand in the 60’s they purchased the lot from Mr. Morand. He was still growing corn at the north end of Morand for a year or two after our house went up. At that time, this area was still part of Sandwich South Township.
Oops! Correction. The corn was still growing at the east end of Morand.